There is a good article on the Manassas Council race over on the WaPo. It’s mostly about Mark Wolfe but it also speaks briefly about some of the other candidates as well. I guess they will do articles on the others as they have space. don’t know.
It is my guess that we’ll see a competition between those who believe that the City should take broad-based and bold action on immigration and those who hold a more nuanced view on immigration. Seeing as how it is the Republican convention, I would expect the views on taxes, etc to fall within a reasonable range but I would be willing to wager that the immigration issue will rule the day. This is good as immigration is an important issue to Manassas but there are many more challenges awaiting us and I’m hoping that there is as much “vision” in the speeches as there is rhetoric about immigration. We’ll see.
January 18, 2008 at 5:21 pm
Andy-
What about hosting a ‘do-drop-in’ for the candidates to let your viewers know who they are and what positions they hold on what issues. That way none of us have to depend on the WaPo to give it to us straight from the ‘horses mouth’ but with a crooked perspective. This should be good!
January 21, 2008 at 7:46 pm
Yes, the article in the WaPo that focused on Mark Wolfe was good,
but it appears time is running out and the other four might not
get the same coverage. Doesn’t seem quite fair does it? Also, the
MJM hasn’t weighed in yet – assume they will, but who knows about them.
I’m hoping the successful candidates will have a sane, non-pandering
attitude toward the illegal immigration issue, but he/she will handle it
all the better by knowing the depth of intense feeling surrounding
it in our community.
It is but one of many issues, but apparently the key one at the GOP meeting two years ago and may be again. Stay tuned.
January 21, 2008 at 8:20 pm
Really attempting not to be such a pack rat, but …
Clipping found this afternoon -Peggy Noonan writing in the WSJ (11-12-2006).
“You know the facts. Immigrants are here in huge numbers, many
unlawfully. They swell the cost of local life – emergency rooms, schools –
which has an impact on local taxes. There are towns and cities that feel,
and are, overwhelmed.”
“The essential reason, I think, is that America’s elites don’t want the
borders closed. Businesses want low wage workers; intellectuals are wed
to global visions of cross border prosperity; politicians want Hispanic loyalty and the Hispanic vote. It’s not convenient for any of them to
close the borders. If Americans on the ground are enduring difficulties
over this, its …too bad. This is further eroding America’s faith
in its institutions”
Pause to ponder – again.
January 25, 2008 at 6:53 am
I wish I knew more about Mr. Wolfe and his policies and positions, but I have never had the opportunity to meet him. I am sure he’ll lay them out clearly to the assembled convention. Even if he does not secure the nomination, I hope that Mr. Wolfe will consider joining and becoming active in the local committee.
Good Luck to all of the candidates tomorrow.
February 4, 2008 at 5:20 pm
It is clear from all of the recent data coming from the City, illegals are in fact the number one issue. High taxes can be blamed on overcrowding, and a high number of ESL students. Crime is up due to illegals, quality of life is down due to illegals. I feel there is no way one can separate all of the above issues from the illegal alien problem.
If we take care of the illegal alien issue, we will have a better quality of life, less crowded and more efficient schools, and more people out and about who are not in fear of crime. All of that to me means more people shopping and spending time in Old Town, which provides more income and taxes for the City.
Though, I guess the flip side is that we can see more signs such as the one on liberty street, and more 7-11’s like the one on coverstone or route 1.
February 7, 2008 at 10:02 am
The tax imbalance is tangible. I pay essentially the same property taxes as the house across the street. I have myself and my wife and infant son (a single family in a single family home), they have 12 cars parked there every night and at least 10 adult males living there, as well as at least a half dozen children walking past my house every morning to go to school. I don’t particularly care if they are illegal or not (I wish people obeyed our national laws and came here legally). But I DO care when MY taxes have to rise because they aren’t paying their fair share! Council needs to develop some better formula for determining tax share, the existing method unfairly penalizes those of us who bust our butts to be able to afford a nice single family home in a nice town, and encourages us to look elsewhere. I’m a 15+ year resident of the City and am close to packing up and leaving it as unaffordable.
February 8, 2008 at 8:14 pm
David B, I agree with you except that property tax deals with property, not with how many people live in it. What would you say if the house across the street from you was actually a single family. and met all other laws. Should they pay more property tax just because they are using their property legally. I know that many of them aren’t, but my point is you are comparing apples to oranges. Why is a house that is occupied bya family of a husband and wife with 16 kids better than a house with a husband wife a few children maybe a brother with his wife and kids and their parents and maybe even an uncle. While I don’t like it, it shouldn’t have any thing to do with property tax. Hell we have families in the City who can’t take care of thir children leave them in a van all day and then think that having do a blood drive every year is too harsh a punishemnt. But I don’t hear anyone saying anything about that family!
February 11, 2008 at 7:40 am
No sam, I’m not saying that at all. What I’m saying is that the property tax system as it is is unfair. Since it’s the primary funding source and is blind to occupancy, it penalizes folks like me. That house across the street can spread the tax burden across 10 or 12 or more incomes, my tax burden is spread across 1.
Am I saying reduce the property tax and create a local income tax? I don’t know. It would probably be more fair, and more consistent revenue year over year vs the wild flucuations caused by property values. But “selling” it to the citizens (if its even legal?) Would be politcal suicide for the council. Maybe.
February 12, 2008 at 9:24 pm
Sam,
A family with 16 kids is pretty rare, so when you talk about apples and oranges, you are in fact doing it yourself.
Typical family households have 1 to 3 kids. If there are more then one family living in a single house, and each of those families have 1 to three kids, and those kids all attend public schools, that house is using far more in public services(since only one tax bill is being collected from each house) then a home with one single family with three kids. That is where the unfairness comes in.
February 13, 2008 at 9:21 pm
com, what in the world are you talking about. I never said that a family of 16 is not rare. I said I do not see anyone making complaints about that family. And I stand by my notion that stating someone should pay more property tax just because they have more people living ina house LEGALLY, is not appropriate. The property is worth the same weather 1 person or 18 people live in it. That is my point. I do agree with David B that an alternate taxing system is needed, but the property tax is not the right way. Also COM, 3 brothers with their wives and children are a single family weather or not you like it. Why is it unfair for three brothers with their families living in a single family home legally, meaning it is not overoccupied, sharing the property tax unfair. You can do it also. Now, if they are truly renting rooms, then I say they got to go.
February 18, 2008 at 6:58 pm
Sam,
You don’t believe three separate families living together is not overcrowding? What if everyone did that? Do you suppose there would be enough of a tax revenue for the City to survive? Of course not. That is why we have “single family” homes, so that there are parents and their children, not multiple parents with their kids. You example is why people are pissed off, those three families are only paying one tax bill, yet have three families with of kids using public schools, and they are not paying their fair share.
February 19, 2008 at 10:40 pm
COM, the description I provided is not three families. The description I provided met the City’s definition of family and the Supreme Court’s decision many years ago. Weather you or I like it, it is the law of the land. And I do think it is overcrowded if the house doesn’t hold that many. But the houses in Wellington, Sumner Lake, Point of Woods and hell, even some townhouses hold that many under the laws we have. Maybe if the City had done some research first, we wouldn’y have the Justice Department taking mine and your tax money to defend a federal complaint which is now a federal lawsuit. I am all for problem fixing, when it is legal and it doesn’t stop families from living together just because you don’t like the family relationship. The City was wrong, dead wrong, and that is why they rescinded the new family definition so quick. And while I believe we have a problem this was not the way to go about fixing it. What is not fair about the example I gave assuming the house they live in legally holds that many people. We are so quick to blame many of our youth’s problems on broken families yet when we have a group of people who believe in family cohesiveness, we are quick to throw them to the wolves. Remember, my comments are assumming the members of the household meet the City’s definition of family and the number of family members is at or below the number allowed in the residence. Otherwise, I say go after them with everything the City has.
February 20, 2008 at 1:35 pm
The supreme court also ruled at one time that slavery was legal. Does that make it right? Nope. What the supreme court said 35 years ago, and I think you should read the case, may not be what they may say today.
The DOJ is just blowing smoke, they would have come up with something by now, but they have not. HUD dropped the case, because they did not find anything, and the DOJ picked it up. Bush supports illegals, his appointees and polices are followed by the DOJ, it does not take a genius to understand why the DOJ is going after Cities who are trying to combat illegal aliens. I don’t believe you think there is a problem, in fact I think you most likely are an illegal alien supporter. I simply do not think having three families, no matter what you want to believe, living in a “SINGLE FAMILY HOME” is right and it is costing the City thousands of dollars each year.
February 20, 2008 at 8:55 pm
COM, I was trying to have a civil discussion here about an issue that affects us all and when I disagree with you, you resort to insults. First you are wrong, HUD did not drop the case it was referred to the DOJ because HUD found that the City did violate federal laws and passed it to DOJ for prosecution because HUD does not prosecute. Second, it is now a lawsuit by the equal rights center, so you should really know what is going on. The City has allocated I believe a million dollars for its legal defense. but again, the example I gave was not 3 families but rather one family. I don’t want the government telling me I can’t have my siblings or my uncle or aunts or any other family member living with me as long as my house can legally be occupied by that many people. I don’t want my tax dollars defending an issue that can’t be defended. If the City thought it could, they wouldn’t have back tracked so quick. In addition, if you think that 20 million can be just deported, you really do not understand the issue. I don’t pretend to know how to fix the problem, but one thing I do know is that anyone here illegally and who committed a crime here or where they came from needs to be deported at once. And before you write back and say that anyone who came here illegaly committed a crime all ready, you would be wrong. Coming here once illegally is a civil offense, not a criminal offense. Once you have been deported once and return, then you have committed a criminal offense. And since you started the personal attacks, you are probably one that believes anyone with the skin tone of the hispanic culture is automatically here illegally. Meaning you are a clear racist! And believe me I am not an apologist, I just have researched the problem and know what is possible and what is not and deporting 20 million is believed by most professionals as being nearly impossible.
February 25, 2008 at 3:45 pm
Sam,
When exactly was it the norm in America to have multiple grown siblings and their children living in the same “SINGLE FAMILY HOUSE” built for two parents and their children?
The law suit is not going anywhere, and yes HUD can sue and participate in law suits.
Is working in America against the law? Is working without paying taxes breaking the law? Is driving without a license breaking the law? Is using stolen social security numbers breaking the law? Many if not most illegals engage in the above criminal actions. So, don’t tell me they don’t break the law when they enter and stay in the Country.
No, I’m not a racist. I know illegals come in every color and ethnicity. But, funny how you and the illegal supporters only talk about hispanics when it comes to illegals. Seems to me you are the racist, since you think only hispanics can be illegal.
If we had people in positions that want and would enforce the law, we could deport all of the illegals, but because we do not, the illegals realize they are safe until that changes. Look at the State of Arizona, the State just passed some of the strongest anti-illegal alien laws in the Country, and the results already show illegals are leaving the State. Enforcement of laws, and attrition will solve the illegal alien issues.
February 25, 2008 at 7:19 pm
COM, what is norm? Where is it written what is the norm in America for occuppying a single family dwelling. I can tell you that the only document that I know of would be the Supreme Courts decision that family is family. And political jurisdictions have no right to seperate families. I didn’t say illegals don’t commit crimes. I said coming here isn’t a crime, so read the complete post and quit putting your own spin on it. I also said it is only right if the house legally holds that many. So if the house was built for two parents and three children then I agree it is only right for 5 family members to live in it. However, most houses in Manassas and PW County can legally hold many more based on a National Standard. And COM, The law suit is going somewhere and has been filed and will be going to court where my taxes and your taxes will pay to defend the City for a law that was doomed from the beginning. It is funny that a former Council member, and it might have been the current Mayor, once said that if his sister and her family was in need he would move them in regardless if the house held that many because that was his family. That is a fact just not positive of which one said it. You should keep up on your local politics and speak to the Council members more often because the law suit is full steam ahead, the one filed by the Equal Rights Center.
February 25, 2008 at 10:43 pm
Sam,
Stop making excuses for illegals. The fact is that illegals do not just enter the Country and never break another law. I’m not putting a spin on anything, unlike you.
You seemed more pissed at this “law suit” then you are with our City being overunned with illegals, which in the long run will be much more costly to the City. Try selling your house now or in a few years. Why do you think the school budget is so high these days? ESL classes that is why. It costs almost twice as much to teach an ESL student then it does a non ESL student. Yes, not all ESL students are illegal, but I bet a good many are.
But, I suppose we should just be worried about some stupid law suit.
A house with four bedroom or less is not made to house an unlimited number of people.
Since July the Jail has processed a total of 567 criminal illegals, I hardly think that is a waste of time or money to go after that many in just a short period of time, but again, we should just worry about the law suit. I suppose if we listened to only the illegal alien supporters we would just bury our heads in the sand and not recognize just how bad illegal immigration is for our City.
February 26, 2008 at 5:16 pm
Citizen,
You come up with lots of “facts”. How do you know the price to educate an ESL child?
February 26, 2008 at 6:26 pm
JimmyV,
There was a front page article in the MJM about two weeks ago that had those numbers. The MJM interviewed school board officials, so yes they are facts. The jail numbers came from the Manassas City police. Nice whiff.
February 26, 2008 at 11:27 pm
Citizen,
Those numbers are wrong. Just because a SB Member said it and the MJM printed it does not make it correct. A better estimate is between 1.15 and 1.3 times as much. Those numbers come from Lee Burton the financial wiz from the city schools. I don’t whiff sweetheart!
February 27, 2008 at 9:42 am
Jimmyv,
Sure you did. You want to believe one school board member over another one? Nice try, buy you…… whiffed again.
February 27, 2008 at 4:06 pm
Citizen get a clue. Do you know your SB members? Liz Burton is on staff as Financial Director. Strike three and your outa here!
February 27, 2008 at 4:28 pm
Looks like I know my SB members but I am not up to date on the staff. I was just made aware that Jennifer Maguire took Liz Burton’s place at some point. Wrong person, but the data is still current.
February 28, 2008 at 8:34 am
JimmyV,
Wrong twice more, I think that is strike 3 on you. Do you also want to dispute the jail numbers? How about the fact crime is up in the City due to illegals?
February 28, 2008 at 4:08 pm
Don’t know about the crime or jail numbers but I do know that you are wrong about the school numbers.
February 28, 2008 at 6:01 pm
JimmyV,
Sorry, I am not wrong. The information came from the school board. How can it be wrong? Of course you do not want to question the Jail numbers or the crime figures, because you know you would be wrong on that too.
February 28, 2008 at 10:24 pm
CitzenofManassas, yes I am very upset with the lawsuit. 1 million spent just for lawyers to represent us and in the end they will probably just settle so it doesn’t go to trial. If you really are a citizen of Manassas, that would be mine, yours and eery other citizens tax money. For what, a law that was doomed from the beginning. And even if the law was sound, do you really want the government telling you what familiy members you can have living with you legally in your house. If you do maybe you need to move to China where they tell you how many children you can have. I for one don’t want the government getting into my family affairs.
February 29, 2008 at 7:20 am
Sam,
Of course it is the responsibility of the Government to determine how many people can live in a house. If you live in a townhouse, do you want to share a common wall with a house that might have twenty or more people living in it, where there are illegal kitchens, overloaded electrical systems, the chance for bugs and diseases to grow? Yup, that is what I want for Manassas. On top of that, they are not going to pay their fair share of taxes.
Using an example of four siblings living together with their spouses and four kids exceeds twenty people per house. But, I suppose we should just be fine with that.
Of course I am a Citizen of the City, Andy will vouch for that.
The question is if you really are against illegals, you should want to take every step to rid the City of them. That would be to support laws, or steps to discourage them from staying or coming here in the first place.
February 29, 2008 at 5:09 pm
Com,
You said your information came from a SB Member. You think those folks can’t be wrong. I will put my trust in a financial professional over a lone politician. (Sorry Andy) And of your crime and jail numbers, I don’t know if they are right or wrong so I won’t dispute them. But based on your inaccurate school numbers there is no reason to believe anything you say.
February 29, 2008 at 5:37 pm
CoM, I will respond to your message to me in a precise and concise manner because obviously you do not know how to read. 1. I never said it wasn’t the responsibility of the gov’t to determine how many people can live in a house. Please show me where I said that. 2. I said the government should not be in the business of telling me which family members could live in my house so long as I do it legally. Meaning I do not over occupy my house. 2. The City has houses that hold 20 people, don’t blame the City or the people who have 20 people, blame the state because that is a state law that the City has no control over. 3. Yes, I do think your example is ok as long as the house holds that many people. It is not up to me and you to determine how many people should live in a house, that is the job of our elected officials. If you don’t like it, then contact them and get it changed. That is what makes America wonderful. 4. I am against illegal immigration 100%, but I am not for the gov’t getting into telling me I can have my sister live with me but not my neice or nephew or maybe my Aunt but not my Uncle. Be real, I don’t believe you want that either and if you do, then you are a bigger idiot than I thought you were. So before you go off the handle and make a complete a$$ of yourdelf, please do three things before you hit the submit button, read the post, understand the post, and reread the post so you know what you are commenting on. I clearly say in my statement that I don’t want the gov’t telling me which family members can live with me LEGALLY. Meaning, as long as the house holds that many. And I would not want 20 people living next to me, but if they are a family and the house holds that many under state guidelines I have no business telling them they can’t do it. I would be calling my state senator to get an amendment to the state building code which regulates the occupancy limits in residential houses.
February 29, 2008 at 6:33 pm
Sam,
Citizen IS a bigger idiot than you thought and he had already made a complete a$$ of himself. It’s nice of you to give him the benifit of the doubt though, your a good guy.
February 29, 2008 at 9:07 pm
Jimmy,
You just can’t face it you are wrong. Why would a school board member not know how much it costs? So, are you now saying the Manassas City Police department is wrong, and Chairman Stewart is wrong? You really just don’t know when to stop, or well it does show just how far the illegal alien supporters will go in their defense.
February 29, 2008 at 9:39 pm
Sam,
Let me get this right, on one hand you do not want the Government to tell us how many or what family members can live in a single home, however, on the other hand, you say if I do not like that, I should ask my elected officials to change the law?
Well, stick with one side or the other, you are talking out of both sides of your mouth on this issue. Even you say you would contact our elected officials to ask for a change in the law to prevent you from having to live next a house with twenty people in it. So, I guess you agree with me?
But, I thought you said you do not want the Government to tell us who we can live with?
I like the fact you have to resort to name calling it shows just how weak your argument is.
If you really are against illegal immigration, I doubt you would attempt to pick a fight with me, someone who has a history of activism on this issue. Have you gone to Richmond to talk with GA members on this issue? Are you a member of HSM? Were you are the meeting this past Monday night to speak in favor of the 287g program? Have you spoken at other City Council meetings when illegal immigration has been a topic? Have you submitted letters to the paper about this issue? Have you contacted our Federal elected officials about this issue?
February 29, 2008 at 10:42 pm
CoM, you are an IDIOT. You obviously never went to school and learned how to read. Take my advice, read, understand and reread. I don’t want the gov’t to tell me what family members I can live with, UNDERSTAND that comment? I have no problem with the gov’t determining a limit of any persons who may live in a house based on some formula that deals with safety, I am not the expert so I would leave that to the experts such as is used today with the building code, understand that comment? I also have no problem with the gov’t telling me how many unrelated people I may have in my single family home because the Supreme Court has all ready ruled that is legal, understand that comment? Again, I am against the gov’t telling me which family memebrs I may live with understand that comment? This is what the City tried and look at us now, defending ourselves in Federal court with my tax money. I pick a fight with you because my disagreement with you has not one g-damn thing to do with illegal immigration. And that is the problem with HSM, they can’t stay on one subject and keep their act together without sounding like a bunch of racist a$$holes. And no, I am not calling them racist, just making a point. Since you don’t know me how do you know I wasn’t at the meeting to speak in favor of the 287g program? If you are the example of HSM members, I am sure glad I am not a member because you all must be dumb as a box of rocks. Yes I have contacted several elected officials on this subject and even assistend in Jackson Miller’s campaign because of this issue. HSM has no idea what they are doing and all they are doing is making themselves look like a bunch of fools. I guess in your world you have to be a HSM memebr to be against illegal immigration. that means there must only be around 2500 people in a community of a quarter million who are against illegal immigration because that is the extent of HSM membership. I will say it again Read, understand then read again before hitting the submit button. I never said I would be happy to have 20 people living next to me I said it would be ok if they were living legally, I never said I would be happy. Again, you are an idiot and I would love to debate you in person because you would be what they say “EASY PICKINS”
March 1, 2008 at 12:09 am
Sam,
You said, you do not want to live next to a house with twenty people living in it. Does that mean twenty family members or a total of twenty people. If you could make your point without trying to be on both sides, it may make it easier to understand what you are trying to say. You need to read and think before hitting the submit button.
To sum up what you have posted. You do not want the Government to tell you who can live with you, you have said you want the Government to tell you how many people can live with you, which if you can think is really telling you who can live with you. You have said even if the law is sound, you would not like it, but want new laws to prevent twenty people living in the same house. So exactly where do you stand?
Of course you do not like HSM, since you support illegals. You are the like the MJM, while on one hand they admit illegals are a problem, yet they bad mouth every attempt to control the problem. So, exactly what do you support in order to take care of the illegal alien problem? I would even venture to say you financially benefit from illegals, otherwise you would not have a problem with trying to control overcrowding.
Recall what the MJM said about HSM before HSM even had their first official meeting. Of course the MJM like you, look like fools. HSM has made great strides in their goals of combating illegals. Which of course pisses you off.
You want to debate in favor of criminals? Any time and anywhere you want to debate I would be happy to open a can of whoop a$$ on you.
How do I know you were not at the meeting to speak in favor of the 287g program? Because the people who spoke in favor of it, were pretty clear they were against illegal immigration, something that you are clearly in favor of.
March 1, 2008 at 1:28 am
Sam,
Just let the argument die. This guy is unreasonable and can’t be reasoned with. I personally agree with you. Have a nice day and thanks for being level headed.
March 1, 2008 at 9:54 am
One last time for you IDIOT and then I will let you die in peace. I would not want 20 people living next to me in either case. However, if the 20 people are family, and the house holds that many, my only recourse is to talk to my elected officials to change the building code, not to make up some unconstitutional law that says I can’t have my family living with me. Yes, I am all for the gov’t limiting the number of people who live in a house weather or not they are related because that is based on safety and has been proven over and over again is is dangrous not only for the residents but for emergency personnel also. How the hell do you make an argument that if 20 family members are living in a house that based on national standards is not overcrowded we should kick out family members. Now, I see how you and HSM operate, if you disagree with you, you just acuse them of supportting illegal immigration. As I said, I voted and assisted in the Jackson Miller campaign both times because of this issue. I just happen to think that the members of HSM, of which you indicate you are, do not have a clue. You have alienated most, not all, government officials. And also asshole, don’t ever accuse me of being in favor of criminals as my father was murdered on the streets of Alexandria and I in no way support criminals. What you fail to realize is that people who come here illegally the first time are not criminals based soley on them coming here. They have only committed a civil offense. When they come here the second time after being deported then they have committed a criminal offense. However, I say deport them all. Again, you do not read, understand, and reread before hitting the submit button. I NEVER said I wanted to debate you in favor of criminals, but again this is how the HSM group operates, they add their spin on every subject and spin it to favor their opinions. By the way, you have no chance in hell of opening a can of whoop ass on me so you better stay home and play with you tinker toys before I embarrass you further. Also, I am in complete favor of every single law enforcement authority in VA being part of the 287g program since I am a member of a law enforcement authority, I support it wholely. This is my last response to you because you can’t read or write with comprehension. No matter what I say you will spin it to fit your need. Take the time to go back and reread every post from me and you and I prove you wrong every time. You have spun everything I say and then I have to get back on here and show what an idiot you are. I sure hope you are not the rule for HSM members because if you are, they need a lot of help.
March 1, 2008 at 10:08 am
Thanks Sam
March 1, 2008 at 3:56 pm
Sam,
You just backed up what I have said all along. You do not want to live next to a house with twenty people living in it, and if that was possible, would contact the Government to do something about it. Yet, earlier, you said you did not want the Government to interview with what family members can live with each other.
I don’t think you have read what you wrote, otherwise you would have agreed with me from my first post.
HSM is in fact is in with many local politicians, and has had a major impact on local politics. I don’t know where you got the information HSM has alienated local elected officials, because that just is plan wrong. HSM helped to write the County ordinance, and helped push the City toward the 287G program. I hardly consider that to be alienation. But, I suppose for a person who on one hand does not want the Government to tell us how many people can live in a house, yet on the other hand says the Government has the right to do so, is a pretty confused person.
I’m sorry you have to use foul language, it surely is a sign of a weak argument and a lack of social skills.
Your point about illegals coming here and not breaking the law is moot. If they drive or work after coming here they are breaking additional laws, why can’t you see that?
The only person who has been embarrassed is you. You have used foul language, you have attempted to talk out of both sides of your mouth, and you have in the end, made a complete fool of yourself.
Jimmy,
You still do not get it, it costs much more to educate an ESL student, who most likely is illegal, then it does to educate a non ESL student. Wasted tax dollars, but I suppose you think it is fine to waste tax dollars.
March 1, 2008 at 5:30 pm
Com,
You said “It costs almost twice as much to teach an ESL student then it does a non ESL student.” That is wrong. You suppose I think it is fine to waste tax dollars? Why on earth would you suppose that? Because you make things up and twist things around to make an argument, just like you did with Sam. By COM, you are not worth my time.
March 1, 2008 at 6:13 pm
Jimmy,
I did not make it up, again the numbers were provided by a school board member. Since you are the one that seems to be more concerned with a lawsuit and making a big deal about what you consider to be a waste of tax dollars, you don’t seem to be half as mad about the wasted tax dollars that are spent on educating illegals. Like Sam, you need to be consistent.
March 1, 2008 at 9:40 pm
CoM, I truly wazn’t going to respond, but you make this too easy. 1. I compleyely agree with your first paragraph and I agree with what you said. I will say it again, I AM AGAINST THE GOV’T TELLING ME WHAT FAMILY CAN LIVE WITH ME AND WHICH CAN’T. I HAVE SAID IT AGAIN AND AGAIN. I AM FOR THE GOV’T INSPECTING THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE FOR SAFETY REASONS AND TO ENSURE IT IS A FAMILY AND NOT BEING USED AS A BOARDING HOUSE. DO YOU COMPREHEND ME NOW. IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WIYH ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION, IT HAS TO DO WITH MY RIGHT TO LIVE WITH MY FAMILY AND WITH THE NUMBER THAT MY HOUSE WILL HOLD. YES, I WOULD BE AGAINST 20 PEOPLE LIVING NEXT TO ME BUT I WOULDN’T TRAMPLE ON THE CONSTITUTION TO LOWER THAT NUMBER BY KICKING OUT THE AUNT, UNCLE NEICE OR ANY OTHER FAMILY MEMBER. 2. YOU JUST DON’T GET IT DO YOU. YOU STATED IN YOUR SECOND POST WHAT YOU FEEL IS A TYPICAL FAMILY. WHERE DID YOU GET THE INFORMATION, BECAUSE I HAVE NEVER SEEN IT WRITTEN ANYWHERE WHAT A TYPICAL FAMILY IS. MY IDEA OF TYPICAL MAY BE DIFFERENT THAN YOURS WHICH MAY BE DIFFERENT THAN JIMMY V. 3. I HAVE NEVER SAID I DON’T WANT THE GOV’T TO TELL ME HOW MANY PEOPLE CAN LIVE IN A HOUSE, WHEN IN FACT I HAVE SAID IT SEVERAL TIMES THAT I FEEL IT IS A SAFETY ISSUE TO OVERCROWD A HOUSE. I SAID I AM AGAINST THE GOV’T TELLING ME WHICH FAMILY MEMBERS CAN LIVE WITH ME WHEN I AM WITHIN THE OCCUPANCY LIMIT OF THE HOUSE. 4. I USE FOUL LANGUAGE BECAUSE YOU DRIVE IT OUT OF ME WITH YOUR STUPIDITY. JUST GO BACK AND READ WHAT YOU SAID I SAID AND TELL ME WHERE IT IS WRITTEN ANYWHERE ABOVE. SUCH AS I HAVE NEVER SAID I AM AGAINST THE GOV’T TELLING ME HOW MANY PEOPLE CAN LIVE IN A HOUSE AS YOU STATE IN PARAGRAPH #3. 5. NEVER SAID THAT ILLEGALS WHO ARE DRIVING OR BREAK ANY OTHER LAW AREN’T CRIMINALS, I ONLY SAID THEY AREN’T CRIMINALS FOR BEING HERE ILLEGALLY BECAUSE UNDER FEDEARL LAW IT IS ONLY A CIVIL OFFENSE. GO BACK AND READ MY COMMENT OF 9:54 AM. 6. I AM NOT EMBARRASSED OR TALKING OUT MY BOTH SIDES OF MY MOUTH. PLEASE EXPLAIN BECAUSE I HAVE CONSISTENTLY MADE THE SAME STATEMENTS AND YOU HAVE ONLY COMPLETELY CHANGED WHAT I SAID TO FIT YOUR OPINION. YOU SIR, ARE THE ONLY FOOL HERE. PLEASE GO BACK AND READ AND SEE IF ANYTHING I SAID MATCHES WHAT YOU SAID IN YOUR LAST POST. PLEASE GIVE THE TIME OF THE POST AND EXACTLY WHAT I WROTE. THERE IS NO WAY YOU CAN DO THAT BECAUSE I NEVER WROTE ANYTHING YOU SAY I DID. I ASK ANYONE ELSE READING THIS TO PLEASE RESPOND AND IF I AM WRONG, I WILL GLADY APOLOGIZE, BUT I KNOW I AM NOT. YOU CoM ARE AN IDIOT AND AGAIN YOU DIDN’T DO WHAT I SUGGESTED AND READ, UNDERSTAND AND REREAD AGAIN BEFORE HITTING THE SUBMIT BUTTON. THAT IS WHAT MAKES YOU AN IDIOT, NOT YOUR OPINIONS, BECAUSE OPINIONS ARE LIKE ASSHOLES, EVERYONE HAS ONE. YOU ARE ENTITLED TO YOUR OPINION, BUT YOU ARE NOT ENTITLED TO MAKE COMPLETE AND FALSE STATEMENTS ABOUT ME. I AM NOT THE SMARTEST PERSON IN THE WORLD, BUT I HAVE MORE COMMON SENSE IN MY PINKY THAN YOU HAVE IN YOUR WHOLE BODY. I am begging anybody reading this crap to give me an honest opinion and let me know if i said any of the stufff CoM says I did and let me know. It is all here for the reading and I welcome any body’s neutral comments. So HSM members, if you are anything like CoM, and I truly dodn’t think you all are, please don’t comment.